My front porch used to look over the statue of Jackson on Monument Avenue. One morning, while oversleeping, I kept having dreams that someone was whistling Dixie. When I finally got up to see, it turned out it was the entire Army of Virginia (reenacted) marching past my front door.
@justjamey That may be true, but there are two reasons we should all celebrate the Confederacy's loss.
1. Without the Union victory the slave-based economy of the South would have strengthened. Slave-trade in China continued until the 20th century, and it wasn't until WWII that there was an international accord calling slavery inhumane and internationally illegal. Without the South's involvement I wonder where the global slave trade would be now.
Keeping in mind there are actually more people in slavery right now than in the entirety of the pre-Civil War US, I can only imagine a Confederate victory exasperating not only the North American slave trade, but the global slave trade.
Presuming it did end (which I think it would have eventually) then we'd likely just this generation be imagining integration, or the end to Apartheid.
2. The South's secession allowed key legislation to pass the Senate. Previously the Southern block strongly opposed measures that proved pivotal to the US expansion and subsequent rise to a global power.
We're talking the transcontinental railroad, the Homestead Exemption Act, etc. Without coast-to-coast transit the American move west would've stalled. Without that infrastructure to push the population west (safely - post-Oregon trail style) California rise to prominence would've been delayed. So imagine the dust bowl 30s without the West Coast produce to normalize national levels. Or a Great Depression without a vibrant west coast economy relatively unaffected by the market crash.
California is one of the largest economies in the world (as @iamaaronmartin pointed out to me today), but it's hard to imagine they would've matured without either the policies incentivizing the western movement andthe infrastructure improvements that facilitated trans-continental trade.
So not that they didn't have some ancillary policies that warrant positive position. But on the whole I'm very thankful they lost.
wondermade thinks he may have just sounded preachy. Really, he just got to thinking about whether he could quantify his thoughts on the Confederacy's policies, the Civil War and it's impact on present-day America and that's what happened.
@wondermade I'm tempted to engage this further here, but I feel like this is a conversation for a different forum. And, after, this is YOUR page. I don't what to throw up smoke. :)
1. You articulated your position well, and brought up arguments I had not heard before. While I am cautious about speculative arguments, your points are rather compelling.
2. You also managed to see past a lot of the tired old rhetoric, and I applaud that. I agree with you that American slavery would have ended eventually (thought I believe it would have ended without bloodshed - like it did in England). In any case, I am VERY glad it ended in this c0untry. People ought not own people. Period.
3. You're a cool dude with "a passing interest in politics" (2007 archives), and apparently very OLD politics. ;)
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